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Poster: morst Date: May 18, 2006 12:24am
Forum: etree Subject: naming conventions

In the new upload system, why is it necessary to add extra "Period" characters in the middle of filenames? I thought periods were used to designate extensions?

Case in point- I already uploaded rebirth2006-04-22-flac16 to my old uploads directory, which I now realize was a total waste of time and bandwidth. Now I not only have to upload all the files again under the new system, but I have to name them using a style with which I am not comfortable.

Evidently, the new names are supposed to be of the format rebirth2006-04-22-flac16.d1t01.flac which I think has too many periods. Which is the extension? .d1t01 or .flac?

Generally, when I see a file with double-extensions, I assume it's a virus, or other mal-ware. I am very sad that I have to post my own files with such a naming scheme. WHY NOT HYPHENS???

I think naming the files like this would be totally OK- rebirth2006-04-22-flac16-d1t01.flac but I don't want to waste my time and bandwidth again uploading something that won't "take".

I understand that the new system still has some bugs, I would like to see this one removed ASAP!! thanks y'all!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: May 18, 2006 12:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

Evidently, the new names are supposed to be of the format rebirth2006-04-22-flac16.d1t01.flac which I think has too many periods. Which is the extension? .d1t01 or .flac?

I'm not sure where you see this - I just uploaded one fine the other day with filenames like this:

sci2000-10-27d1t01.flac
sci2000-10-27d1t02.flac
etc..

Can you clarify? The only place I imagine you will see this is in creating the show folder - which the system will create like this:

sci2000-10-27.flac16

Where you put "sci2000-10-27" in the first box of the form and "flac16" in the second box - and it puts the dot inbetween - but that's not for files.

Let us know.

Evidently, the new names are supposed to be of the format rebirth2006-04-22-flac16.d1t01.flac which I think has too many periods. Which is the extension? .d1t01 or .flac?

It's always the last one, so in this case - .flac - so the other dot shouldn't be a problem. However, I don't see anything in the system requiring 2 dots in each filename so I'm hoping you can give us some more info.

-Brad

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2006-05-18 07:53:35

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Poster: morst Date: May 18, 2006 1:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

Thanks for your help with this- let me cut to the chase- can I upload my show with filenames the way I used to, and it will be ok, or do I have to add all the extra extenders even though we were the only tapers there?

I want to use this format: rebirth2006-04-22d1t01.flac
Will that be OK?

to clarify for brad- yes, after I created my folder, the CREATE ITEM page reads:
Item is ready for FTP

You may now proceed to upload files into your new item!

You have 48 hours to use this FTP directory to upload files into your item or to change files in your item. (After that, it will be automatically checked in. You may, however, check the item back out later to upload or change files.)

Please ensure that an extension is at the end of the name of each file that you upload (eg: ".mpg", ".avi", ".mov").
Generally, we recommend that each file in your item should start with the same name as the identifier (e.g. since your identifier is named Rebirth2006-04-22.flac16, upload files that are called "Rebirth2006-04-22.flac16.mpg", "Rebirth2006-04-22.flac16.asf", or "Rebirth2006-04-22.flac16_256kb.mov").


Also, Di, I see on the NamingStandards page that there are a variety of acceptable formats, and I have submitted dozens of things the old way. I just need to know if the new system will accept my "old style" filesets or do I have to rename all my stuff before I upload it?

from NamingStandards:
For example, these all work:
ph2003-03-01.dpa.shnf
ph2003-03-01-nak.shnf
ph2003-03-01cmc6.shnf"


I like the middle style. :-D

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: May 18, 2006 2:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

Yes, the old way is fine. The extra separators are if you want to distinguish one source from another - aud vs. sbd, Nakamichi vs. AKG, etc.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 18, 2006 2:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

Ah I see, it's the "generally" example part! That's because it's explanatory text (with whatever identifier you have, auto-filled into the examples) ssetup to apply to *general* system-wide submissions (including Open Source Movies, Open Source Audio, etc). Unlike etree.org realms, other folks often have *no* clue how to name a file. I've seen stuff like "asdf.mp3", like they apparently didn't really read that anyway. Then again, I've seen identifiers like "asdf". :)

So, instead of the general rec's, just go with the usual *specific* style Naming Standards.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-05-18 09:30:58

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Poster: morst Date: May 18, 2006 6:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

cool, thanks for all the help, the fileset in question now lives here- http://www.archive.org/details/Rebirth2006-04-22.flac16

:-)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 18, 2006 1:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: naming conventions

For the new "identifier" method to make one's directory name during item preparation, this is how the id aka dir name would look if done as per the steps:
rebirth2006-04-22.flac16
which is fully consistent with etree.org Naming Standards.

Inside the fileset, use the same old Naming Standards for files, there has been no change!
http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=NamingStandards
That doc is linked right on the creation page for reference.

If it's just that the examples Tracey added to the blue "?" popup are nonideal right now, I can add that to the list of suggested tweaks (along with changing the ".shn16" that I already have on the list, hehe). ;)

EDIT: I notice all the help examples are strictly for identifiers anyway, there aren't even any specific trackname examples on that creation help popup!

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-05-18 08:00:12

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